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they only care with foreign policy as it connects to the economy. if anything, her time at state will benefit her. if you can picture her on the debate stage with chris christie, who doesn't have any foreign policy experience. if you look at it that way, i think it only benefits her. i think benghazi is not going to define her legacy long term. >> speaking of benghazi, there's something we need to compare, the two secretaries of state that preceded her, you find they had several ben gazdyes and it's worth noting there were 13 throughout bush's tenure. the other thing that's important, if you want something to not have a benghazi like debacle you have to fund embassy security. i would never describe hillary as cautious. she was the most traveled first lady in history. even surpassing nixon's wife and i think she is hardly cautious. >> i actually think she does take less of a risky approach and did during her term as secretary of state than john kerry. i think that more cautious approach does typify her approach in politics. if we want to look at this
they only care with foreign policy as it connects to the economy. if anything, her time at state will benefit her. if you can picture her on the debate stage with chris christie, who doesn't have any foreign policy experience. if you look at it that way, i think it only benefits her. i think benghazi is not going to define her legacy long term. >> speaking of benghazi, there's something we need to compare, the two secretaries of state that preceded her, you find they had several ben...
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the administration of ronald reagan finally was the first veto override on foreign policy. it was rejected and taken over as jim baker said on "morning joe." taken over by congress. >> why do you think the world was slow when it came to dealing with south africa? >> i have to say that we in the media are partly to blame. we didn't focus that much on what was going on in south africa. until it just became impossible to ignore. when i went the first time in 1985, it was actually the first time that we focused on the people of south africa. both the black and the white and what the human beings of the country were thinking. why the white people thought they were superior to the blacks and did they ever see an end to that thinking? how the blacks were struggling on every level, not just in the streets, but offices where many of them worked. it was initially focusing on the overall idea of those who are fighting against oppression and those who are pressing. we didn't pay that much attention to the human beings. that's why we were late coming to it. >> also the cold war and reag
the administration of ronald reagan finally was the first veto override on foreign policy. it was rejected and taken over as jim baker said on "morning joe." taken over by congress. >> why do you think the world was slow when it came to dealing with south africa? >> i have to say that we in the media are partly to blame. we didn't focus that much on what was going on in south africa. until it just became impossible to ignore. when i went the first time in 1985, it was...
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override of foreign policy veto of a president in that century. >> it really was. first let me say, i'm honored to be with my sister and friend maxine waters, who i think played a magnificent role giving momentum to the divestment effort. just quickly i want to go back and indicate a little known bit of history. >> why was mandela in oakland, california. of all places. yankee stadium, the mayor, mayor cuomo. he came to see you, didn't he? >> i was overwhelmed. nelson mandela. oakland doesn't win a lot of battles over big cities. he said i'm going to oakland to thank ron and his constituency. for this iconic human being to come to oakland to say thank you was an amazing event. we walk out on the stage and mandela looks out into this incredible sea of humanity. he said now i better understand you, i better understand your politics. i looked at him and he said you represent the human family. you represent where we must go. you represent the future of south africa. that was such an incredible moment. what i was saying was he saw a young black man representing the human
override of foreign policy veto of a president in that century. >> it really was. first let me say, i'm honored to be with my sister and friend maxine waters, who i think played a magnificent role giving momentum to the divestment effort. just quickly i want to go back and indicate a little known bit of history. >> why was mandela in oakland, california. of all places. yankee stadium, the mayor, mayor cuomo. he came to see you, didn't he? >> i was overwhelmed. nelson mandela....
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will the american public think he's done the job on the economy on health care and foreign policy? he needs that trifecta. we are getting it with the economy. the iran deal. i think the other thing is who 2014 benefits. i'm not sure yet. when you listen to the focus group and others, parts and the sense that we have tried in one direction and another direction. where do we go from here? >> what was interesting, somebody said maybe we need an independent. when you play that out for everybody in that focus group, they came around and said i have to pick one party or the other. >> what has been the experience and raise people's hopes and the tea party, that was an experience of frustration by a lot of americans and some people who supported the tea party that is not what we were buying. that's the worst thing is people don't see a way out and feel powerless to affect their own government. >> those people don't vote? they said they were going to vote. >> most will. frustration needs to come up. the 2014 elections are in the same states. >> the federal elections. >> it's more severe. >>
will the american public think he's done the job on the economy on health care and foreign policy? he needs that trifecta. we are getting it with the economy. the iran deal. i think the other thing is who 2014 benefits. i'm not sure yet. when you listen to the focus group and others, parts and the sense that we have tried in one direction and another direction. where do we go from here? >> what was interesting, somebody said maybe we need an independent. when you play that out for...
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i think that the question of guantanamo and certain foreign policies make his situation more complex. particularly as one views it in comparison to the entire arc of a life. particularly as one compares mandela to people like gandhi and king, who have been tested, as tom said, by periods of extraordinary imprisonment. and i think sometimes the wisdom that comes out of those experiences really are the ability to bridge two very different life experiences. and so mandela keeps being called a warrior of peace, warrior of human dignity. and that really embraces i think the contradiction of somebody who has had the deep experience of being both a warrior and a peace maker. obama, i think, has the dignity and certainly in some ways almost the kind of physiology me that resembles the quiet smile of mandela. but i think the long-term history, that's quite -- that's quite a comparison that -- >> it's very hard to make these judgments very early, frankly. professor is quite right. he's quite young. we still have a long way to go, we hope, in the political history of this country. there will be
i think that the question of guantanamo and certain foreign policies make his situation more complex. particularly as one views it in comparison to the entire arc of a life. particularly as one compares mandela to people like gandhi and king, who have been tested, as tom said, by periods of extraordinary imprisonment. and i think sometimes the wisdom that comes out of those experiences really are the ability to bridge two very different life experiences. and so mandela keeps being called a...
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. >> that history is a reminder as we're in a moment of what we call international unity, the foreign policy legacy of everything related to the apartheid regime was divided in this country and many other nations. you look at say the early origins of investment campaign where a young barack obama as a student was involved, many other young idealists and international humanitarians but it was not seen at the time as a way to actually break the regime. it was seen as first a symbolic step and then got traction. the international program against the apartheid regime was a huge factor. walk us through that. >> that's right. it took a long time to gain motion. it seemed idealistic at the beginning, like many younger obama, i remember taking part myself in the protest on college campuses. and but it gained speed, just because so many people caught onto it. in a sense it was the last really coherent global social protest movement. and of course, it was all rallying around mandela. i can remember very well from those days, free mandela was the great rallying cry as sit-ins and protests were f
. >> that history is a reminder as we're in a moment of what we call international unity, the foreign policy legacy of everything related to the apartheid regime was divided in this country and many other nations. you look at say the early origins of investment campaign where a young barack obama as a student was involved, many other young idealists and international humanitarians but it was not seen at the time as a way to actually break the regime. it was seen as first a symbolic step...
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it was the first override of a presidential veto on a foreign policy issue in the century. and anti-apartheid leaders credit those sanctions and credit the private divestment movement around the united states and around the world with bringing about the pressure and the isolation that was necessary to eventually humble the apartheid regime. to humble the ruling south african government and bring them to the negotiations that eventually freed nelson mandela and brought him into the apartheid system. the fight here to do that was nothing compared to the fight in south africa, but politically, it was a he can of a fight here too. joining us now is former california congressman and former oakland mayor, ron dellums. he was the sponsor of the 1986 antiapartheid act. congressman dellums, nice to see you. thank you very much for being here. >> it's an honor to be here. i'm one of your great fans, my friend. >> well, thank you. tell me what led you to sponsor the antiapartheid act in the 1986? >> a little-known fact in history is that a group of african-american employees of the po
it was the first override of a presidential veto on a foreign policy issue in the century. and anti-apartheid leaders credit those sanctions and credit the private divestment movement around the united states and around the world with bringing about the pressure and the isolation that was necessary to eventually humble the apartheid regime. to humble the ruling south african government and bring them to the negotiations that eventually freed nelson mandela and brought him into the apartheid...
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everything from economic policy to national defense and foreign policy was shaped. you have to be we were losing the cold war as of 1980. you know, europe, nato was falling apart. the soviets were in central america. southeast asia had fallen. really in the context of the cold war the soviets were winning and we were lotion. one of ronald reagan's great mission was the defeat of soviet communism. that was at the head of the checklist. you know, apartheid existed in south africa under the administrations of franklin roosevelt and harry truman and dwight eisenhower and lyndon johnson, every president going forward to ronald reagan. reagan was the first president to come up with a policy called constructive engagement which was to disengage from apartheid and move towards black majority rule without falling into the bloodbath that happened in rhodesia and cambodia. >> tom brokaw, just even constructive engagement which is choice of words by ronald reagan, complicated time. >> as i'm sure mr. shirley will agree, it was not a slam dunk for the administration. there was a
everything from economic policy to national defense and foreign policy was shaped. you have to be we were losing the cold war as of 1980. you know, europe, nato was falling apart. the soviets were in central america. southeast asia had fallen. really in the context of the cold war the soviets were winning and we were lotion. one of ronald reagan's great mission was the defeat of soviet communism. that was at the head of the checklist. you know, apartheid existed in south africa under the...
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you can't undermine foreign policy. it will give obama time to see the deal through if it works and maybe they can go back and revert and say maybe they don't need to do sanctions. >> it is a work in progress, fluid situation. when we come back, members of the right flank would have you believe happy holidays is an affront to the way of life. culture warriors battle war on christmas, millions of americans fight just to have a christmas. we will discuss. i do a lot oresearch on angie's list before i do any projects on my home. i love my contractor, and i am so thankful to angie's list for bringing us together. find out why more than two million members count on angie's list. angie's list -- reviews you can trust. for all those who sleep for all those who sleep too hot or too cool, now there's a solution. sleep number dual temp, the revolutionary temperature-balancing layer with active air technology that works on any mattress brand, including yours. it's only at a sleep number store, where this holiday season, the hottes
you can't undermine foreign policy. it will give obama time to see the deal through if it works and maybe they can go back and revert and say maybe they don't need to do sanctions. >> it is a work in progress, fluid situation. when we come back, members of the right flank would have you believe happy holidays is an affront to the way of life. culture warriors battle war on christmas, millions of americans fight just to have a christmas. we will discuss. i do a lot oresearch on angie's...
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america needs there. >> some predictions outside the world of politics and foreign policy. richard branson's prediction that 2014 is the year that for the first commercial space flight. >> you signing up, willie? >> no. i want to see how that one goes. >> he's planning to be on the first flight. >> of course. >> with his two children. >> do you think it will be first commercial space flight as richard branson indicates there might be in the coming year or what will happen first? first commercial space flight or the shuttle to boston will be on time? >> well both have been delayed. but first commercial space line as he calls it, he has very big ambitions for private space travel and putting increasing access to space and beyond that using that to improve life on earth and to, he thinks the space age will undergo a dynamic development much like the jet age in the last century. >> where does he plan to go. did he indicate? >> not very far. >> just around the block. >> around the block. but it is, actually -- private astronauts have been up in the past but as guests, high payin
america needs there. >> some predictions outside the world of politics and foreign policy. richard branson's prediction that 2014 is the year that for the first commercial space flight. >> you signing up, willie? >> no. i want to see how that one goes. >> he's planning to be on the first flight. >> of course. >> with his two children. >> do you think it will be first commercial space flight as richard branson indicates there might be in the coming year...
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dick lugar were pushing very strongly for a different policy. >> they were. they knew the veto was a mistake. right after that secretary schultz moved to redescribe anc not as terrorist organization and open up contacts with the group in osaka. >> you were on the ground when he came out -- >> after he came out. >> moved into the negotiations which were critical. >> went up and down in 1992, had a break in the negotiations, a serious break over violence. the two presidents, the two leaders, nelson mandela and f.w. de klerk came together, one of the things they agreed, which is a lesson for other peace processes that thereafter to acts of violence would be allowed to interrupt the peace process. the spoilers would not be allowed to do that. it was important because there was a lot of violence after that. >> that was also true of the northern ireland peace process. that was a key point they could not veto an agreement forward, a lesson not learned by israeli-palestinians sadly. what do you think was the special quality in nelson mandela and also his antagonists
dick lugar were pushing very strongly for a different policy. >> they were. they knew the veto was a mistake. right after that secretary schultz moved to redescribe anc not as terrorist organization and open up contacts with the group in osaka. >> you were on the ground when he came out -- >> after he came out. >> moved into the negotiations which were critical. >> went up and down in 1992, had a break in the negotiations, a serious break over violence. the two...
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and that goats right at a foreign policy perspective and view that the president sought out to change and reverse. and it clearly has not happened. i think the question comes back to again why has it not? >> i think president oba at the beginning and said we are going to change those policies. i'm not george w. bush. we haven't see things go well under him. 73 per of casualties in afghanistan happened up president obama. that's five years of horrific things happening in and. we are seeing iraq fall apart. afghanistan isn't in good shape and we have seen things change. katie pavllic, thank you. martha: a liftoff that insiders have calling a game changer. it is a private rocket now blasting off into space. i'll tell you who sent it there. bill: a man trapped under water found alive after three days. and now we can show you the incredible rescue. he is alive. bill: private aerospace company space-x is blasting off from a rented nasa pad in florida. mostly they have been running cargo missions. but today marks the first time a major satellite operation is in orbit. martha: this is a nasty
and that goats right at a foreign policy perspective and view that the president sought out to change and reverse. and it clearly has not happened. i think the question comes back to again why has it not? >> i think president oba at the beginning and said we are going to change those policies. i'm not george w. bush. we haven't see things go well under him. 73 per of casualties in afghanistan happened up president obama. that's five years of horrific things happening in and. we are seeing...
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i'm not sure it's a day of world foreign policy-making for nations. but as i mentioned, face time between world leaders is always beneficial if you can do it the right way. but we view cuba as our enemy, this is not the time for president obama to be embracing him. nelson mandela was great friends with bill clinton and barack obama and he was friends with gaddafi and castro. he's like the man of the year, nelson mandela, the time of all this global strife he still has a role as healing agent, bringing different people together on stage. >> and that's in fact something that mandela's former personal assistant said, tomorrow people should all be honoring their relationship with madiba, if it means shaking hands with the enemy, yes, i would like to see that. that is what nelson mandela was and is bringing people together despite their differences. i guess that's the point is what could be more of a tribute to nelson mandela than people who'd normally would not talk, talking, and i'm not saying they have to be embracing or back slapping or even smiling, b
i'm not sure it's a day of world foreign policy-making for nations. but as i mentioned, face time between world leaders is always beneficial if you can do it the right way. but we view cuba as our enemy, this is not the time for president obama to be embracing him. nelson mandela was great friends with bill clinton and barack obama and he was friends with gaddafi and castro. he's like the man of the year, nelson mandela, the time of all this global strife he still has a role as healing agent,...
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he will be talking about immigration he has foreign policy and heads up to hawaii at the end of the month. the president has a ton going on t. supporters think there is good news, maybe the website is steadying now want more of the president every day. >> obviously, the republicans will not let up despite they may be setting up politicos. mike, thanks, so much. >> have a good day, will. >> coming up, jacoby els berry to the yankees. where does that leave robinson cano who wants serious cash. we have possible suitors in sports. [ music playing ] . >> well, the little engine that could keeps chugging along the bronx. >> i don't know how they do it. >> jacoby elsberry leaving fenway, elsberry reportedly agreed to a seven year $153 million year, an option for an eighth year. the speedy fielder giving a good glove. elsbury had batted .298 last year. he's missed a lot of games. the yankees scheduled to introduce their other beg signing, brian mccann, the catcher. tomorrow. elsbury could joan him if he passes that physical. >> it will be good for the yankees. tv ratings down, ticket sales in gen
he will be talking about immigration he has foreign policy and heads up to hawaii at the end of the month. the president has a ton going on t. supporters think there is good news, maybe the website is steadying now want more of the president every day. >> obviously, the republicans will not let up despite they may be setting up politicos. mike, thanks, so much. >> have a good day, will. >> coming up, jacoby els berry to the yankees. where does that leave robinson cano who...
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. >> from a foreign policy perspective this country and much of africa has been turning east and they are very acutely aware for themselves that the financial and diplomatic clout that they look to in the future comes from china. >> one person not here is the dalai lama. government here said they didn't have time to process his visa basically. the real reason is they didn't want to insult china. >> that has happened before because the dalai lama was also defected from going to his 80th celebration a few years ago. the authorities have used this excuse essentially of visa processing to avoid a rather sticky diplomatic question. >> there is archbishop tutu. >> kofi annan. >> a monitor here that is difficult to see. >> they are from the same neighborhood as nelson mandela and extraordinary leader in the anti-apartheid movement. >> absolutely. i think they became the voices of the struggle while he was away. remember also desmond tutu is still very much seen as the moral voice and often taken on the mental of mandela as he got sicker. desmond tutu has come out. very critical of anc, the l
. >> from a foreign policy perspective this country and much of africa has been turning east and they are very acutely aware for themselves that the financial and diplomatic clout that they look to in the future comes from china. >> one person not here is the dalai lama. government here said they didn't have time to process his visa basically. the real reason is they didn't want to insult china. >> that has happened before because the dalai lama was also defected from going to...
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i don't think that this handshake is going to end up changing policy terribly. let's remember that the u.s. embargo is codified. in order to change it you need an act from congress. guess who is in charge of the foreign relations committee in the senate? bob menendez. it's going to take an act of god to get through bob menendez to change sanctions on cuba without cuba changing their repressive regime on the cuban people. let's also remember that today is international human rights day. there are people still getting repressed, harassed and jailed in cuba for wanting to express their human rights and express freedom freely what they feel and be the centers of this government. i commend president obama, because in his speech, though he did give the handshake, i think what's also meaningful is what he said in his speech, where he said that there are rulers, there are leaders, who say they are in solidarity with what mandela stood for in the latter part of his life, and yet do not allow the scent of freedom in their own countries. i would say he was talking directly
i don't think that this handshake is going to end up changing policy terribly. let's remember that the u.s. embargo is codified. in order to change it you need an act from congress. guess who is in charge of the foreign relations committee in the senate? bob menendez. it's going to take an act of god to get through bob menendez to change sanctions on cuba without cuba changing their repressive regime on the cuban people. let's also remember that today is international human rights day. there...